Comments on: Evolution vs. Atheism vs. Non-Interventionism http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/ English, Rationalist and Liberal Conservative Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:16:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: j0nz http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-124 Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:37:09 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-124 Ha she's my stalker :) I love her blog she's a fantastic girl Ha she’s my stalker :) I love her blog she’s a fantastic girl

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-113 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:49:35 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-113 Thanks for the link! How did you find that? Thanks for the link! How did you find that?

]]> by: j0nz http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-111 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:24:24 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-111 Leanne <a href="http://iamnotcrazyreally.blogspot.com/2005/10/never-debate-evolution.html" rel="nofollow">thoughts on this debate</a>. Leanne thoughts on this debate.

]]> by: Neil Harding http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-92 Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:01:57 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-92 Here's some more <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/there-is-no-god-and-you-_b_8459.html" rel="nofollow">food for thought</a>. Here’s some more food for thought.

]]> by: leanne http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-82 Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:49:10 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-82 I say "HE" beacuse he is refered to as father. And I already said Im flawed in my writing abilities. thank you so much again. I say “HE” beacuse he is refered to as father. And I already said Im flawed in my writing abilities. thank you so much again.

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-81 Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:20:13 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-81 Blaspheming :-) God is a 'He' in the same way as we are human - not "he" or "she" and not "huwoman" - it's okay to say "he" if something is genderless or you don't know. It's just feminists that have hijacked it! Thanks Leanne, for your comments. I agree we have reached a natural end to the discussion and that we must agree to disagree on the fundamental points. Blaspheming :-)

God is a ‘He’ in the same way as we are human - not “he” or “she” and not “huwoman” - it’s okay to say “he” if something is genderless or you don’t know. It’s just feminists that have hijacked it!

Thanks Leanne, for your comments. I agree we have reached a natural end to the discussion and that we must agree to disagree on the fundamental points.

]]> by: John King http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-80 Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:48:06 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-80 Christ, how do you expect me to read that, Leanne? Ever thought of using the enter button to space some of that out? And are you sure God's a 'he'? Christ, how do you expect me to read that, Leanne? Ever thought of using the enter button to space some of that out?

And are you sure God’s a ‘he’?

]]> by: leanne http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-79 Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:06:12 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2005/10/15/evolution-vs-atheism-vs-non-interventionism/#comment-79 dear Gavin, As I said my purpose in this all was to make us think and I have to say YOU have made me think more than anyone EVER, thank you. and if the sappy novel I wrote before has made the impression I am a person who only likes things nice it is missleading. I am actually very hash in my views, though very empathic and think things are too sugar coated already especially in history, I prefer to know the ugly facts, and would rather see THIS taught than dates and names. I am after all a cynic ( in the true Diogenes sense) so much so I am known for wearing a shirt or pair of shoes till duct tape is all that holds them together (perhaps I do this to protest the fact I am a very pretty girl- and yes I have friends) I am on a constant search for truth and can not cram 12 years of history, philosophy and religon onto your blog. One thing I have learned from this is - a student I am but not yet a teacher. Though I cant say you have made me change my opinion in any way, sorry, you made some very good points, you have made me rethink my approach. Science is true, it can explain the how of everything but never really the WHY reason for life. And to me the Earth IS alive in the sense it is made from the same elements as all creation and life can only come from life. Here are my closing arguments and the only scientific proof I can reason for creation. It seems the very theory you list above to be least appealing is the one I find most true. ( sorry I have to involve religon now because it is the foundation I build my belief upon and what I have found to be- in my search- truth) The bible says God (this is not his name it is his being) created the earth exactly as you have said, in a way it was free to evolve and express itself scientificly. (skip a few parts) when he saw how beautiful and good it was, he made a garden for himself then created a man to live in this garden giving it to him as a gift- the garden not the earth-his purpose was to rule over it and enjoy its fruit. This man was also given the gift of free will to make intelligant decisions for himself, which made some angels mad because they were not given free will nor rule over anything when they had been serving God all along. It does not say where this garden was located-Africa? maybe. these angels hate man for what God has given them and persuaded him to make a decision against the one thing God had asked them not to do. For this reason they had to leave the garden because now they knew they really were free to do as they wanted, and now there was also evil. Man and Evil were sent out into the Earth. Why? because it was now in their hearts to do what they wanted. But man had also known good so there is always an inner battle. The Angels who also went against God were given the earth. Why? because it is what they wanted. So you see God is not cruel but fair. You can follow his plan or make one for your self. But you see the Earth was not designed for evil or man, neither of these evolved on their own but were introduced. Which is my only piece of scientific evidence. If we agree everything has a reason for existance. what is mans? If say you remove all Birds from the Earth everything would eventually fall apart in a chain reaction because THEY have a purpose they control insect population, are food for other creatures and so on. Now remove all humans what happens? nothing. the earth goes on. We have no natural preditors and the plants and animals we feed on have a cycle of their own. Now there is no Evil also, everything goes according to the plan assinged to it, it does not have free will. a bird will always do bird things as a law. now what happens in science when we introduce a species to where it does not belong? with no natural preditors it multiplies, spreads out and destroys the balance of nature. Add evil to the picture and you have the world today. Has God abandoned us completly? No but he respects your freedom and he expects you will make alot of mistakes this he forgives. why do horrible things and suffering happen? Because of the evil and the fallen angels who hate us. Can God stop it? Yes but it would be in violation of your freedom to chose his way or your own. And as long as there is good he will not interfear. When only evil is left he will bring it to an end. So according to God what you see on the news will only get worse.(Add here what I mentioned about the 3 related religons) but this is the hope he offers us that if we trust his way is best we will be given a second chance at a life without evil the way he had designed it in his garden. sorry this is a very long summary in a very brief version I hope I made at least one valid point as you made many. And again thank you for making me think. I hope I in some way I made you think too even if it is only that I am very insane. I will continue to read your blog but this can not go on forever. PS. because I beleive in God does not mean I dont think George Bush is an idiot. dear Gavin, As I said my purpose in this all was to make us think and I have to say YOU have made me think more than anyone EVER, thank you. and if the sappy novel I wrote before has made the impression I am a person who only likes things nice it is missleading. I am actually very hash in my views, though very empathic and think things are too sugar coated already especially in history, I prefer to know the ugly facts, and would rather see THIS taught than dates and names. I am after all a cynic ( in the true Diogenes sense) so much so I am known for wearing a shirt or pair of shoes till duct tape is all that holds them together (perhaps I do this to protest the fact I am a very pretty girl- and yes I have friends) I am on a constant search for truth and can not cram 12 years of history, philosophy and religon onto your blog. One thing I have learned from this is - a student I am but not yet a teacher. Though I cant say you have made me change my opinion in any way, sorry, you made some very good points, you have made me rethink my approach. Science is true, it can explain the how of everything but never really the WHY reason for life. And to me the Earth IS alive in the sense it is made from the same elements as all creation and life can only come from life. Here are my closing arguments and the only scientific proof I can reason for creation. It seems the very theory you list above to be least appealing is the one I find most true. ( sorry I have to involve religon now because it is the foundation I build my belief upon and what I have found to be- in my search- truth) The bible says God (this is not his name it is his being) created the earth exactly as you have said, in a way it was free to evolve and express itself scientificly. (skip a few parts) when he saw how beautiful and good it was, he made a garden for himself then created a man to live in this garden giving it to him as a gift- the garden not the earth-his purpose was to rule over it and enjoy its fruit. This man was also given the gift of free will to make intelligant decisions for himself, which made some angels mad because they were not given free will nor rule over anything when they had been serving God all along. It does not say where this garden was located-Africa? maybe. these angels hate man for what God has given them and persuaded him to make a decision against the one thing God had asked them not to do. For this reason they had to leave the garden because now they knew they really were free to do as they wanted, and now there was also evil. Man and Evil were sent out into the Earth. Why? because it was now in their hearts to do what they wanted. But man had also known good so there is always an inner battle. The Angels who also went against God were given the earth. Why? because it is what they wanted. So you see God is not cruel but fair. You can follow his plan or make one for your self. But you see the Earth was not designed for evil or man, neither of these evolved on their own but were introduced. Which is my only piece of scientific evidence. If we agree everything has a reason for existance. what is mans? If say you remove all Birds from the Earth everything would eventually fall apart in a chain reaction because THEY have a purpose they control insect population, are food for other creatures and so on. Now remove all humans what happens? nothing. the earth goes on. We have no natural preditors and the plants and animals we feed on have a cycle of their own. Now there is no Evil also, everything goes according to the plan assinged to it, it does not have free will. a bird will always do bird things as a law. now what happens in science when we introduce a species to where it does not belong? with no natural preditors it multiplies, spreads out and destroys the balance of nature. Add evil to the picture and you have the world today. Has God abandoned us completly? No but he respects your freedom and he expects you will make alot of mistakes this he forgives. why do horrible things and suffering happen? Because of the evil and the fallen angels who hate us. Can God stop it? Yes but it would be in violation of your freedom to chose his way or your own. And as long as there is good he will not interfear. When only evil is left he will bring it to an end. So according to God what you see on the news will only get worse.(Add here what I mentioned about the 3 related religons) but this is the hope he offers us that if we trust his way is best we will be given a second chance at a life without evil the way he had designed it in his garden. sorry this is a very long summary in a very brief version I hope I made at least one valid point as you made many. And again thank you for making me think. I hope I in some way I made you think too even if it is only that I am very insane. I will continue to read your blog but this can not go on forever. PS. because I beleive in God does not mean I dont think George Bush is an idiot.

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