Comments on: Israel becomes guilty http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/ English, Rationalist and Liberal Conservative Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:19:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11321 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:49:20 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11321 Smug and psychic... Smug and psychic…

]]> by: wonkotsane http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11320 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:28:28 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11320 In the previous Israel thread I suggested that Israel needed the 48 hours to transport the new bombs America had given them and to move operatives into Lebanon for a takeover. It said on the news this morning that the Israeli's were using the time to move troops and supplies into Southern Lebanon in preperation for a full-scale ground invasion. I must be a psychic, eh? In the previous Israel thread I suggested that Israel needed the 48 hours to transport the new bombs America had given them and to move operatives into Lebanon for a takeover. It said on the news this morning that the Israeli’s were using the time to move troops and supplies into Southern Lebanon in preperation for a full-scale ground invasion. I must be a psychic, eh?

]]> by: wonkotsane http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11319 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:15:19 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11319 I'll just sit here with a smug look on my face and say nothing Gav. ;o) I’ll just sit here with a smug look on my face and say nothing Gav. ;o)

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11316 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:03:19 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11316 I think that's the crazy thing... The terrorists Israel are fighting are so wrong and so indefensible that for Israel to use such overwhelming force and alienate its natural supporting base (people like me) is bizarre. I think that’s the crazy thing… The terrorists Israel are fighting are so wrong and so indefensible that for Israel to use such overwhelming force and alienate its natural supporting base (people like me) is bizarre.

]]> by: leanne http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11309 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:16:11 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11309 Todays news here was surprisingly all on Israels side.... I dont want to see more deaths but I can't say Israel shouldnt use force. I would agree there has to be another way though... since its know these groups use civillians and dont care about their saftey themselves. I read in an arab paper today about Hamas.... children follow them around in battle willingly then when they are killed they are refered to as both civillian and myarters, it's the same with Hezbollah, they pick constantly at Israel. In the same arab paper after the kidnapping of the soldiers... before the attack, Hezbollah leaders said they used this stratagy to provoke and would be patient. It went on to say women passed out cookies on the street in celebration... how do you battle that. And Lebanon needs to choose, not only did they allow Hezbollah to remain and strenghten itself.. it also holds seats in their gonernment now. there will be no end to this. Todays news here was surprisingly all on Israels side….
I dont want to see more deaths but I can’t say Israel shouldnt use force. I would agree there has to be another way though… since its know these groups use civillians and dont care about their saftey themselves.
I read in an arab paper today about Hamas…. children follow them around in battle willingly then when they are killed they are refered to as both civillian and myarters, it’s the same with Hezbollah, they pick constantly at Israel.
In the same arab paper after the kidnapping of the soldiers… before the attack, Hezbollah leaders said they used this stratagy to provoke and would be patient. It went on to say women passed out cookies on the street in celebration…
how do you battle that. And Lebanon needs to choose, not only did they allow Hezbollah to remain and strenghten itself.. it also holds seats in their gonernment now.
there will be no end to this.

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11299 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:00:34 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11299 Leanne, I would say you cannot form a solid opinion and remain open minded unless you are sure all the facts have been collated. In the case of Israel vs. Arabs the facts are continually changing, justifications and reasons for actions are subtley changing and, most importantly, the leaders of each side change from time-to-time. I have a solid opinion that Hezbollah and Hamas (and Al Qaeda and many others) are a danger to democracy, a danger to freedom and a danger to humanity, but that doesn't change whether or not I think Israel is justified in any particular action it takes. I firmly believe Sharon would not have attacked Lebanon in this way and I firmly believe that Israelis will join me in my flip following this display of agression. Leanne, I would say you cannot form a solid opinion and remain open minded unless you are sure all the facts have been collated.

In the case of Israel vs. Arabs the facts are continually changing, justifications and reasons for actions are subtley changing and, most importantly, the leaders of each side change from time-to-time.

I have a solid opinion that Hezbollah and Hamas (and Al Qaeda and many others) are a danger to democracy, a danger to freedom and a danger to humanity, but that doesn’t change whether or not I think Israel is justified in any particular action it takes.

I firmly believe Sharon would not have attacked Lebanon in this way and I firmly believe that Israelis will join me in my flip following this display of agression.

]]> by: leanne http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11295 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:26:20 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11295 I'm not arguing, just thinking out loud.. Is it wise to keep flipping? or a weakness? I struggle with this myself. I know people want to be fair, but should there come a time when you have to trust your own reasoning and form a solid opinion? can you do this and still remain open minded? With every new report you can't just forget everything else. I’m not arguing, just thinking out loud..
Is it wise to keep flipping? or a weakness?
I struggle with this myself.
I know people want to be fair, but should there come a time when you have to trust your own reasoning and form a solid opinion? can you do this and still remain open minded?
With every new report you can’t just forget everything else.

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11292 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:37:01 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11292 Let the UN take over... that should give Israel about 50 years to play with. Let the UN take over… that should give Israel about 50 years to play with.

]]> by: John King http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11288 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:49:01 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/07/31/israel-becomes-guilty/#comment-11288 It's not just you who is 'flipping'. The Israeli press which so far has been supporting the military action has actually put yesterday's Lebanese deaths on their covers for the first time. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&#38;u=/060731/481/9c236797940e4e048d396e8bd7e01930" target="_blank">Yahoo News Link</a> I've flipped about 50 times over the last 15 years on the middle east crisis so you're not alone ;) (Ed: Sorry, edited the link to make it prettier) It’s not just you who is ‘flipping’. The Israeli press which so far has been supporting the military action has actually put yesterday’s Lebanese deaths on their covers for the first time.

Yahoo News Link

I’ve flipped about 50 times over the last 15 years on the middle east crisis so you’re not alone ;)

(Ed: Sorry, edited the link to make it prettier)

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