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		<title>by: Cllr. Gavin Ayling &#187; ATW on Islamic countries</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12396</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] How this fits with my post, An Opportunity, I don&amp;#8217;t know&amp;#8230; Although a look at Pakistan&amp;#8217;s responses muddies clarity no end! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] How this fits with my post, An Opportunity, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; Although a look at Pakistan&#8217;s responses muddies clarity no end! [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12191</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;You support gays but you don’t like one night stands, well gays swap parteners almost every day!&lt;/i&gt;

Which is one of the false points I was talking to about when I said &quot;Exposure alleviates fear.&quot;

I don't mind people having one-night stands, though, that's their free choice -- it's just a reflection on a larger outlook on life.

The academic subject, I now remember, was comedians -- they are only respected if they're quick and bright enough to stymie hecklers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You support gays but you don’t like one night stands, well gays swap parteners almost every day!</i></p>
<p>Which is one of the false points I was talking to about when I said &#8220;Exposure alleviates fear.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind people having one-night stands, though, that&#8217;s their free choice &#8212; it&#8217;s just a reflection on a larger outlook on life.</p>
<p>The academic subject, I now remember, was comedians &#8212; they are only respected if they&#8217;re quick and bright enough to stymie hecklers.
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12146</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well I don't remember the last time I saw Conservatives running around hysterically shouting foreign policy foreign policy foreign policy.


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I am a little supprised by the post, I didn't think you the sort to be complaining about those various aspects of British culture you mentioned.
You support gays but you don't like one night stands, well gays swap parteners almost every day!

Maybe the academic subject you were thinking of was music?
Although even a lot of musicans like to pretend to be bad boys from the gutter just to get the image when they are really nothing of the kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t remember the last time I saw Conservatives running around hysterically shouting foreign policy foreign policy foreign policy.</p>
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I am a little supprised by the post, I didn&#8217;t think you the sort to be complaining about those various aspects of British culture you mentioned.<br />
You support gays but you don&#8217;t like one night stands, well gays swap parteners almost every day!</p>
<p>Maybe the academic subject you were thinking of was music?<br />
Although even a lot of musicans like to pretend to be bad boys from the gutter just to get the image when they are really nothing of the kind.
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		<title>by: Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12124</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I completely agree Dave. What I am saying is that while there are issues that have more importance for non-Muslims as opposed to Muslims (accepting that there is no generic Muslim issue list), the issues that most concern Muslims are those same ones that concern traditional Conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree Dave. What I am saying is that while there are issues that have more importance for non-Muslims as opposed to Muslims (accepting that there is no generic Muslim issue list), the issues that most concern Muslims are those same ones that concern traditional Conservatives.
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12081</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>At first I thought this was going to be a great post, until you mentioned &quot;what Muslims want&quot;...

Its just ridiculous to say just because you are unhappy with Britains morals and Muslims feel the same on that issue that you are going to be Conservative allies.
Muslims disagree with you (well Western liberalism) on a huge amount of issues, and when I say that I mean real Muslims not those who are 'Muslim' in name only.

I would have agreed with Hitler that Communists were a bit of a problem but doesn't mean we would have agreed on anything else.

I agree that Conservatives have let the country down on the issues you mention for a long time. Drugs, alcoholism, rising single parent families, educational dumbing down, crime, well 'everything' really that a social Conservative thinks is important has been neglected, oh and don't forget EUROPE!
I don't think this country is going to improve until we've got rid of the current leadership across all parties who generally come from 60's &amp;#38; 70's drug taking hippy idealists.

Thats the problem with this situation, Muslims are generally allied to the left, and is it generally the left who is the cause of the decline of 'white' British society such as weak criminal laws, soft on drug taking, prostitution and again well pretty much everything.
They are not going to vote Conservative in large numbers because of immigration, labour makes it easy for more Muslims to enter the country, the Conservatives would be a little tougher, not enough for me but still tougher than Labour.

The other thing is you didn't mention the role Muslims themselves play in the decadence of British society, there are plenty of Muslims in the gang culture and who also deal in drugs, indeed one of the 7/7 bombers was a drug dealer.
You once claimed 30% of the prison population were Muslims (unless I am very much mistaken), a stat I had not heard of before.
Just as Muslims complain about Israel killing Muslims but not Sudan killing much much more Muslims, Muslims complain about criminality and social problems from other groups much more than when it comes from other Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought this was going to be a great post, until you mentioned &#8220;what Muslims want&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Its just ridiculous to say just because you are unhappy with Britains morals and Muslims feel the same on that issue that you are going to be Conservative allies.<br />
Muslims disagree with you (well Western liberalism) on a huge amount of issues, and when I say that I mean real Muslims not those who are &#8216;Muslim&#8217; in name only.</p>
<p>I would have agreed with Hitler that Communists were a bit of a problem but doesn&#8217;t mean we would have agreed on anything else.</p>
<p>I agree that Conservatives have let the country down on the issues you mention for a long time. Drugs, alcoholism, rising single parent families, educational dumbing down, crime, well &#8216;everything&#8217; really that a social Conservative thinks is important has been neglected, oh and don&#8217;t forget EUROPE!<br />
I don&#8217;t think this country is going to improve until we&#8217;ve got rid of the current leadership across all parties who generally come from 60&#8217;s &amp; 70&#8217;s drug taking hippy idealists.</p>
<p>Thats the problem with this situation, Muslims are generally allied to the left, and is it generally the left who is the cause of the decline of &#8216;white&#8217; British society such as weak criminal laws, soft on drug taking, prostitution and again well pretty much everything.<br />
They are not going to vote Conservative in large numbers because of immigration, labour makes it easy for more Muslims to enter the country, the Conservatives would be a little tougher, not enough for me but still tougher than Labour.</p>
<p>The other thing is you didn&#8217;t mention the role Muslims themselves play in the decadence of British society, there are plenty of Muslims in the gang culture and who also deal in drugs, indeed one of the 7/7 bombers was a drug dealer.<br />
You once claimed 30% of the prison population were Muslims (unless I am very much mistaken), a stat I had not heard of before.<br />
Just as Muslims complain about Israel killing Muslims but not Sudan killing much much more Muslims, Muslims complain about criminality and social problems from other groups much more than when it comes from other Muslims.
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		<title>by: Tony Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12075</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Self-destructive drinking, etc-shouldn't that be LACK of values.</description>
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		<title>by: Jock Coats</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/08/13/an-opportunity/#comment-12070</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I haven't actually heard anyone who was in the least bit concerned about &quot;What Muslims Want&quot; (except perhaps that it seemed to be trying to make out that some views were remarkable, separatist, even extremist and that &lt;a href=&quot;http://jockcoats.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-i-want-and-what-muslims-want.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some of us&lt;/a&gt;, like you, felt many of them reflected many of our own wants and values so does that make us separatist, even extremist!).

On drugs and particular and recidivism, why should we be surprised that something that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU10.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is addictive cannot be controlled&lt;/a&gt; simply by criminalising it.  With such a high proportion of crimes related both to supply and the &quot;need&quot; to consume what is addictive (and the measures people will take in order to get them) I really believe we cannot have a coherent strategy on crime without addressing the drugs issue in radical ways (and to me that means liberalising and thereby allowing better, not worse control).  Any help we make available to people who are addicted to anything works with at least one hand tied behind its back if that thing is illicit and hidden away, a something not just a shame for the desperate user but something for which he or she will be banged up for if caught.

Whilst I tend to agree about &quot;Jamie Bulger's torturers&quot;, I do wonder how Christian it is to assume that people who were so young when they did albeit probably the most horrendous crime played out in front of watching millions cannot expiate themselves and find contrition, repentance and forgiveness, albeit perhaps not from the people most affected - but I'm not entirely sure that last is what criminal justice is about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t actually heard anyone who was in the least bit concerned about &#8220;What Muslims Want&#8221; (except perhaps that it seemed to be trying to make out that some views were remarkable, separatist, even extremist and that <a href="http://jockcoats.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-i-want-and-what-muslims-want.html" rel="nofollow">some of us</a>, like you, felt many of them reflected many of our own wants and values so does that make us separatist, even extremist!).</p>
<p>On drugs and particular and recidivism, why should we be surprised that something that <a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/CU10.html" rel="nofollow">is addictive cannot be controlled</a> simply by criminalising it.  With such a high proportion of crimes related both to supply and the &#8220;need&#8221; to consume what is addictive (and the measures people will take in order to get them) I really believe we cannot have a coherent strategy on crime without addressing the drugs issue in radical ways (and to me that means liberalising and thereby allowing better, not worse control).  Any help we make available to people who are addicted to anything works with at least one hand tied behind its back if that thing is illicit and hidden away, a something not just a shame for the desperate user but something for which he or she will be banged up for if caught.</p>
<p>Whilst I tend to agree about &#8220;Jamie Bulger&#8217;s torturers&#8221;, I do wonder how Christian it is to assume that people who were so young when they did albeit probably the most horrendous crime played out in front of watching millions cannot expiate themselves and find contrition, repentance and forgiveness, albeit perhaps not from the people most affected - but I&#8217;m not entirely sure that last is what criminal justice is about.
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