Comments on: EU Membership for Romania and Bulgaria http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/ English, Rationalist and Liberal Conservative Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:56:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: David B. Wildgoose http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15367 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:04:21 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15367 Fair enough. For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with you on all your points. I want out of the EU, I wouldn't stop the Scots going independent, and I am both an English nationalist and a Democrat, who is deeply worried at the massive rates of immigration we are sufffering - faster than we can assimilate which as a result means ghettos and balkanisation, problems faced most acutely by the poorest and most vulnerable in our society. Fair enough. For what it’s worth, I’m in agreement with you on all your points. I want out of the EU, I wouldn’t stop the Scots going independent, and I am both an English nationalist and a Democrat, who is deeply worried at the massive rates of immigration we are sufffering - faster than we can assimilate which as a result means ghettos and balkanisation, problems faced most acutely by the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15360 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:01:08 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15360 Not at all Mr Wildgoose, I am no supporter of the EU and if the Scots want independence I wouldn't try to stop them although I think it would be a subject worthy of a full debate first. Its possible to be a nationalist as well as democrat.. I just think its a strange kind of 'nationalist' or 'democrat' for that matter, who supports policies that will lead to a massive demographic change in their country against the will of most of the people. Not at all Mr Wildgoose, I am no supporter of the EU and if the Scots want independence I wouldn’t try to stop them although I think it would be a subject worthy of a full debate first.
Its possible to be a nationalist as well as democrat.. I just think its a strange kind of ‘nationalist’ or ‘democrat’ for that matter, who supports policies that will lead to a massive demographic change in their country against the will of most of the people.

]]> by: David B. Wildgoose http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15303 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:08:12 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15303 Note to Dave, (comment 4): Those who support their own national parliaments are usually called DEMOCRATS. On the other hand, those who support a different country making decisions about what happens somewhere without those affected being able to make similar decisions in that different (unaffected) country, that's usually called IMPERIALISM. So just to get this straight, Gavin is a Democrat and you are an Imperialist - at least, that's what it looks like to me. Note to Dave, (comment 4): Those who support their own national parliaments are usually called DEMOCRATS.

On the other hand, those who support a different country making decisions about what happens somewhere without those affected being able to make similar decisions in that different (unaffected) country, that’s usually called IMPERIALISM.

So just to get this straight, Gavin is a Democrat and you are an Imperialist - at least, that’s what it looks like to me.

]]> by: Cllr. Gavin Ayling » Solve the need for an EP http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15231 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:32:17 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15231 [...] Dave says, in a comment earlier that “… there are more ways to address [the problem of Scottish influence in England] than a new Parliament“. [...] […] Dave says, in a comment earlier that “… there are more ways to address [the problem of Scottish influence in England] than a new Parliament“. […]

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15224 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:53:13 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15224 Well those who support their own national parliament are usually called nationalists are they not? Scottish nationalist SNP, Welsh nationalists, Irish nationalists... And now the English nationalists of the CEP.. I have tried to pin down your stance on this before but I still don't get it, if you are not an English nationalists then why do you want an English parliament, you might say because the Scots have too much influence but there are more ways to address that problem than a new Parliament. Well those who support their own national parliament are usually called nationalists are they not? Scottish nationalist SNP, Welsh nationalists, Irish nationalists…
And now the English nationalists of the CEP..
I have tried to pin down your stance on this before but I still don’t get it, if you are not an English nationalists then why do you want an English parliament, you might say because the Scots have too much influence but there are more ways to address that problem than a new Parliament.

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15186 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:36:13 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15186 Whoever said I was a "nationalist" of any sort! Whoever said I was a “nationalist” of any sort!

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15161 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:07:38 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15161 lol right on wonko. But don't expect the 'English nationalist' Gav to be worried about that. Besides I don't see that 'freedom of movement' is an advantage for them anyway, Poland has had to try to get workers from further East because so many people left the the country Romania and Bulgaria could have similar problems if they get emigration on a similar scale. lol right on wonko. But don’t expect the ‘English nationalist’ Gav to be worried about that.

Besides I don’t see that ‘freedom of movement’ is an advantage for them anyway, Poland has had to try to get workers from further East because so many people left the the country Romania and Bulgaria could have similar problems if they get emigration on a similar scale.

]]> by: wonkotsane http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15093 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:14:55 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2006/09/27/eu-membership-for-romania-and-bulgaria/#comment-15093 EU: "Did I mention that because you're bankrupt you'll qualify for billions in grants and subsidies paid for by the English and Dutch for the next 20 years?" Bulgar: "Sold." EU: “Did I mention that because you’re bankrupt you’ll qualify for billions in grants and subsidies paid for by the English and Dutch for the next 20 years?”

Bulgar: “Sold.”

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