Comments on: Brown’s Eco-towns http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/ English, Rationalist and Liberal Conservative Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:58:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Rob Whittle http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17813 Wed, 23 May 2007 20:24:40 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17813 I wish ex`RAF base Coltishall was earmarked foe an Eco and Science City, in Norfolk, rather than languishing with a silly Prison or immigration centre proposal currently A bit of vision and investment could see this site put to visionary and productive use. I wish ex`RAF base Coltishall was earmarked foe an Eco and Science City, in Norfolk, rather than languishing with a silly Prison or immigration centre proposal currently

A bit of vision and investment could see this site put to visionary and productive use.

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17734 Wed, 16 May 2007 02:23:09 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17734 Yes immigration is one of the most significant effects on housing. 30 years ago there was only 45-50 million people living in Britain, now there is 60 million offically, but probably a lot more. Thats a substantial increase in population especially for a small country like Britain. We do not have an infinate amount of space to build on, therefore it becomes more difficult and more expensive the bigger we become. Yes immigration is one of the most significant effects on housing. 30 years ago there was only 45-50 million people living in Britain, now there is 60 million offically, but probably a lot more. Thats a substantial increase in population especially for a small country like Britain.
We do not have an infinate amount of space to build on, therefore it becomes more difficult and more expensive the bigger we become.

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17724 Tue, 15 May 2007 14:44:32 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17724 We have a three-way choice: 1. Fight for an English Parliament and argue against every decision that could or should be made by an English Parliament until we get it regardless of the consequences in the meantime. 2. Fight for an English Parliament but also accept that the British Parliament has more of a mandate for governing England than do the Regional Assemblies and fight for power to be taken from Regional Assemblies whenever possible by said British Parliament while making clear that the power should lie with the English Parliament. 3. Fight the issues without reference to an English Parliament at all. I prefer 2 to 1. Dave, Yes immigration has an effect on house prices but it isn't the most significant impact and it shouldn't be used as a reason by the same people who argue for the EU... We have a three-way choice:
1. Fight for an English Parliament and argue against every decision that could or should be made by an English Parliament until we get it regardless of the consequences in the meantime.
2. Fight for an English Parliament but also accept that the British Parliament has more of a mandate for governing England than do the Regional Assemblies and fight for power to be taken from Regional Assemblies whenever possible by said British Parliament while making clear that the power should lie with the English Parliament.
3. Fight the issues without reference to an English Parliament at all.

I prefer 2 to 1.

Dave, Yes immigration has an effect on house prices but it isn’t the most significant impact and it shouldn’t be used as a reason by the same people who argue for the EU…

]]> by: wonkotsane http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17721 Tue, 15 May 2007 11:33:31 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17721 Why should we settle for either Gav? Accepting something we don't want because it's the lesser of two evils only perpetuates the underlying problem. You're basically giving Gordon Brown a mandate when he doesn't have one. Why should we settle for either Gav? Accepting something we don’t want because it’s the lesser of two evils only perpetuates the underlying problem. You’re basically giving Gordon Brown a mandate when he doesn’t have one.

]]> by: Dave http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17715 Mon, 14 May 2007 23:30:56 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17715 again the immigration double speak from Gav. The reality is without immigration Englands population would be falling and therefore housing would be cheap. Immigration is causing the massive house price inflation relative to the rest of the economy causing young English people not to be able to afford to buy homes in their own towns & villages, this is a betrayal by the elites against the low class English people, (nothing new there). Immigants are not all here to work thats just typical libertarian nonsense. http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2007/05/arrivederci-roma.html again the immigration double speak from Gav.
The reality is without immigration Englands population would be falling and therefore housing would be cheap. Immigration is causing the massive house price inflation relative to the rest of the economy causing young English people not to be able to afford to buy homes in their own towns & villages, this is a betrayal by the elites against the low class English people, (nothing new there).
Immigants are not all here to work thats just typical libertarian nonsense.
http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2007/05/arrivederci-roma.html

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17713 Mon, 14 May 2007 21:32:26 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17713 Okay, I agree that an English Parliament is the solution to this problem. But given that we don't have one and that there's no prospect under Brown of having one, I would rather he makes the decision than Regional Assemblies. Oh, and I haven't deleted your <a href="http://www.westmidlandsno.org.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">West Midlands NO!</a> campaign plug! Okay, I agree that an English Parliament is the solution to this problem. But given that we don’t have one and that there’s no prospect under Brown of having one, I would rather he makes the decision than Regional Assemblies.

Oh, and I haven’t deleted your West Midlands NO! campaign plug!

]]> by: wonkotsane http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17712 Mon, 14 May 2007 21:23:39 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17712 Gav, I agree that Regional Assemblies should have a say on where housing goes. Can I plug my <a href="http://www.westmidlandsno.org.uk" rel="nofollow">West Midlands NO!</a> Campaign? Thanks. ;) Should Her Majesty's Government have a say on housing and planning in England? Tricky. MPs elected in England should have a say - preferably via an English Executive - but MPs elected in Scotland, including Gordon Brown if he is to be Prime Minister? Not at all. As you can't split the UK Government into English and non-English MPs for English affairs (no matter how hard the Tories try to convince us it will work) then we have a problem. I am comfortable, for the time being, for MPs elected in England to make this decision but I won't tolerate an MP elected in Scotland who wasn't elected for policies on housing and planning and who doesn't have a say over the same issues in Scotland dictating to us on this devolved issue. Gav, I agree that Regional Assemblies should have a say on where housing goes. Can I plug my West Midlands NO! Campaign? Thanks. ;)

Should Her Majesty’s Government have a say on housing and planning in England? Tricky. MPs elected in England should have a say - preferably via an English Executive - but MPs elected in Scotland, including Gordon Brown if he is to be Prime Minister? Not at all.

As you can’t split the UK Government into English and non-English MPs for English affairs (no matter how hard the Tories try to convince us it will work) then we have a problem. I am comfortable, for the time being, for MPs elected in England to make this decision but I won’t tolerate an MP elected in Scotland who wasn’t elected for policies on housing and planning and who doesn’t have a say over the same issues in Scotland dictating to us on this devolved issue.

]]> by: Gav http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17709 Mon, 14 May 2007 13:50:09 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17709 Absolutely. As I understand it though, we only allow immigration from outside the EU of wives/husbands and skilled labour already... Absolutely. As I understand it though, we only allow immigration from outside the EU of wives/husbands and skilled labour already…

]]> by: MJW http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17708 Mon, 14 May 2007 13:02:47 +0000 http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2007/05/14/defending-brown/#comment-17708 I don’t think the issue is about a blanket stop on immigration, the issue is to put a stop on immigration from outside the EU (we don’t have any choice when it comes to EU citizens) to satiate the low skilled labour market. These are the only roles that are realistically available to the feckless and indolent sections of society, as it stands they’re rewarded for not working by an excessive welfarist approach and forced out of the labour market by lower cost immigrant workers, both of which perpetuate long-term benefits dependency which UK taxpayers fund. I personally believe we should stick to only importing skilled labour from outside the EU and push the indolent into filling the low skilled positions by removing the option of long-term benefits dependency. I don’t think the issue is about a blanket stop on immigration, the issue is to put a stop on immigration from outside the EU (we don’t have any choice when it comes to EU citizens) to satiate the low skilled labour market. These are the only roles that are realistically available to the feckless and indolent sections of society, as it stands they’re rewarded for not working by an excessive welfarist approach and forced out of the labour market by lower cost immigrant workers, both of which perpetuate long-term benefits dependency which UK taxpayers fund.

I personally believe we should stick to only importing skilled labour from outside the EU and push the indolent into filling the low skilled positions by removing the option of long-term benefits dependency.

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