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		<title>Comment on Electoral reform by James Higham</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2010/02/07/electoral-reform-2/#comment-78514</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a move towards a hung parliament in order to usher in the &quot;reforms&quot;.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Electoral reform by Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2010/02/07/electoral-reform-2/#comment-78513</link>
		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The list system is vile... PR as is done in England for EU elections is significantly flawed and the vote-for-a-party-not-a-person aspect of it is the most abhorrent.

As a colleague said to me today: how many people would have voted for the Cannabis Alliance as their first choice and left the Lib Dems, Labour or the Tories to second if they knew their vote wasn&#039;t wasted? I would bet quite a few!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The list system is vile&#8230; PR as is done in England for EU elections is significantly flawed and the vote-for-a-party-not-a-person aspect of it is the most abhorrent.</p>
<p>As a colleague said to me today: how many people would have voted for the Cannabis Alliance as their first choice and left the Lib Dems, Labour or the Tories to second if they knew their vote wasn&#8217;t wasted? I would bet quite a few!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Electoral reform by Colin Vane</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2010/02/07/electoral-reform-2/#comment-78512</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Vane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m extremely worried here Gav - I agree with you!  Under FPTP, tactical voting can only come into play in marginal seats.  But even in the most marginal of seats, the majority of voters not supporting the &quot;favourite&quot; party could not bring themselves to cast their vote in favour of a third party.  Alternatively, they just wouldn&#039;t bother to vote at all.
Furthermore, if the research quoted in the Telegraph were correct, why wouldn&#039;t the Labour party have adopted the AV system much sooner?
And while on the subject of electoral reform, can I express my abhorrence of the list system in which the people representing us are actually selected by party apparatchiks.  Even in FPTP, a high proportion of people know who their MP is.  How many know who their MEP is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m extremely worried here Gav &#8211; I agree with you!  Under FPTP, tactical voting can only come into play in marginal seats.  But even in the most marginal of seats, the majority of voters not supporting the &#8220;favourite&#8221; party could not bring themselves to cast their vote in favour of a third party.  Alternatively, they just wouldn&#8217;t bother to vote at all.<br />
Furthermore, if the research quoted in the Telegraph were correct, why wouldn&#8217;t the Labour party have adopted the AV system much sooner?<br />
And while on the subject of electoral reform, can I express my abhorrence of the list system in which the people representing us are actually selected by party apparatchiks.  Even in FPTP, a high proportion of people know who their MP is.  How many know who their MEP is?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second Adur Councillor Joins Liberal Democrats by Lester Unega Waya</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/12/03/second-adur-councillor-joins-liberal-democrats/#comment-78482</link>
		<dc:creator>Lester Unega Waya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Liberal Democrats have passed their sell by date.
You contact them and don&#039;t get as much as a thank you.
They are not interested in any ideas the ordinary public have.
They have no agenda for tackling climate change.
The only party that has a worthwhile agenda is the Green Party.
Carl, you would have done better if you had gone to the Green Party because then you would have got my vote on polin day.
I am not interested in party politics, only common sense, which does not go well with politics.

Captalism is damaging the Earth.
Unless capitalism dies, the Earth will die.
Either way, capitalism is doomed.
Politicians are not saving the Earth for their familie&#039;s sake, so what hope have we got of them saving the Earth for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Liberal Democrats have passed their sell by date.<br />
You contact them and don&#8217;t get as much as a thank you.<br />
They are not interested in any ideas the ordinary public have.<br />
They have no agenda for tackling climate change.<br />
The only party that has a worthwhile agenda is the Green Party.<br />
Carl, you would have done better if you had gone to the Green Party because then you would have got my vote on polin day.<br />
I am not interested in party politics, only common sense, which does not go well with politics.</p>
<p>Captalism is damaging the Earth.<br />
Unless capitalism dies, the Earth will die.<br />
Either way, capitalism is doomed.<br />
Politicians are not saving the Earth for their familie&#8217;s sake, so what hope have we got of them saving the Earth for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement to Council by Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/12/08/statement-to-council/#comment-78457</link>
		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Angus.

I did think your comments were petty, and I disagree with you that I was elected as a Conservative. If that&#039;s the basis upon which people choose to vote, that is their error: voters are not voting for the Conservative Party or for David Cameron, or Neil Parkin, even -- they are voting for the person and that is how our democracy is designed (if &#039;designed&#039; is the right word -- I refer you to previous posts where I highlight the flawed system we have with the head of government being entirely unelected).

I was surprised at your comments not least because the £20,000+ cost of holding a by-election is significantly larger than the Members Allowances I have supposedly accepted while I missed a couple (okay, four) meetings, and that your party&#039;s press release suggested I refund (and which ignored the fact that a large number of Conservative Councillors had a worse attendance record than Carl English).

So if it would be unreasonable to hold a by-election for the sake of cost, the other alternative would be to sit quietly until the next election making no impact at Council meetings (as most Conservative Councillors sincerely cannot because of the party whip) and betraying my beliefs and the public who provided me their mandate.

Finally, don&#039;t you agree that my decision must be on the basis of principle in order for me to move from the party that is overwhelmingly in power in Adur and that is widely predicted to beat Labour at the next election, to join a party in third place (currently) nationally and with only one Councillor at Adur? I could understand the behaviour of my colleagues in this respect if I had gone the other way.

The moral high-ground was mostly surrendered by another who spoke out of turn and in conflict with the Council&#039;s constitution and caused our Chairman to mouth me an apology!

Again, in earlier posts, I have referred to a number of Councillors who do a good job and who deserve, on a personal level, the trust the public places in them. Of course my own judgements in this regard, could be as out-of-line as some Conservative Councillors&#039; opinions of me are, but you were one of those to whom I referred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Angus.</p>
<p>I did think your comments were petty, and I disagree with you that I was elected as a Conservative. If that&#8217;s the basis upon which people choose to vote, that is their error: voters are not voting for the Conservative Party or for David Cameron, or Neil Parkin, even &#8212; they are voting for the person and that is how our democracy is designed (if &#8216;designed&#8217; is the right word &#8212; I refer you to previous posts where I highlight the flawed system we have with the head of government being entirely unelected).</p>
<p>I was surprised at your comments not least because the £20,000+ cost of holding a by-election is significantly larger than the Members Allowances I have supposedly accepted while I missed a couple (okay, four) meetings, and that your party&#8217;s press release suggested I refund (and which ignored the fact that a large number of Conservative Councillors had a worse attendance record than Carl English).</p>
<p>So if it would be unreasonable to hold a by-election for the sake of cost, the other alternative would be to sit quietly until the next election making no impact at Council meetings (as most Conservative Councillors sincerely cannot because of the party whip) and betraying my beliefs and the public who provided me their mandate.</p>
<p>Finally, don&#8217;t you agree that my decision must be on the basis of principle in order for me to move from the party that is overwhelmingly in power in Adur and that is widely predicted to beat Labour at the next election, to join a party in third place (currently) nationally and with only one Councillor at Adur? I could understand the behaviour of my colleagues in this respect if I had gone the other way.</p>
<p>The moral high-ground was mostly surrendered by another who spoke out of turn and in conflict with the Council&#8217;s constitution and caused our Chairman to mouth me an apology!</p>
<p>Again, in earlier posts, I have referred to a number of Councillors who do a good job and who deserve, on a personal level, the trust the public places in them. Of course my own judgements in this regard, could be as out-of-line as some Conservative Councillors&#8217; opinions of me are, but you were one of those to whom I referred.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement to Council by Angus</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/12/08/statement-to-council/#comment-78453</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gav, assume as I was one of the few who spoke last night, that I am one of those who, in your opinion, surrendered the &quot;moral high ground&quot;. But to what exactly?

Quite honestly, I have absolutely no issue with your apparent epiphany (misguided though I believe it is); freedom of expression, belief and political view are pretty much absolute to my mind and if you believe the Lib Dems are your cup of tea, that is entirely fine by me. I could almost go as far as respecting your decision to &#039;defect&#039; but for one, in my view overwhelming, reason. Integrity.

You may consider my &#039;digs&#039; yesterday were petty but, and this is where I am afraid given your actions, it is obvious we disagree, I sincerely believe that in not resigning and allowing the electorate the opportunity to make a choice, you have further damaged the already low opinion the electorate have of politicians at all levels of government.

You were elected by the people of Buckingham ward as a representative of the Conservative party, and we have to be bluntly honest here, such is the beauty of local politics it seems unlikely you were alone, but you won because you were wearing a blue rosette.  

It is my personal view that &#039;ratting&#039; is dishonourable (and I accept that as a &#039;ratter&#039; you are in distinguished company - although it has to be said that Winston saw the light and &#039;re-ratted&#039;) and betrays the trust given to you by the electorate. 

I regret therefore, and I sincerely do regret, that unless and until you grant the electorate of Buckingham the opportunity to judge you in black and orange, the moral legitamacy of your position as an elected representative is, to my mind, in question.

I have absolutely no doubt that we can work together in a constructive manner, if and when you have been elected as a Liberal Democrat Councillor.

Angus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gav, assume as I was one of the few who spoke last night, that I am one of those who, in your opinion, surrendered the &#8220;moral high ground&#8221;. But to what exactly?</p>
<p>Quite honestly, I have absolutely no issue with your apparent epiphany (misguided though I believe it is); freedom of expression, belief and political view are pretty much absolute to my mind and if you believe the Lib Dems are your cup of tea, that is entirely fine by me. I could almost go as far as respecting your decision to &#8216;defect&#8217; but for one, in my view overwhelming, reason. Integrity.</p>
<p>You may consider my &#8216;digs&#8217; yesterday were petty but, and this is where I am afraid given your actions, it is obvious we disagree, I sincerely believe that in not resigning and allowing the electorate the opportunity to make a choice, you have further damaged the already low opinion the electorate have of politicians at all levels of government.</p>
<p>You were elected by the people of Buckingham ward as a representative of the Conservative party, and we have to be bluntly honest here, such is the beauty of local politics it seems unlikely you were alone, but you won because you were wearing a blue rosette.  </p>
<p>It is my personal view that &#8216;ratting&#8217; is dishonourable (and I accept that as a &#8216;ratter&#8217; you are in distinguished company &#8211; although it has to be said that Winston saw the light and &#8216;re-ratted&#8217;) and betrays the trust given to you by the electorate. </p>
<p>I regret therefore, and I sincerely do regret, that unless and until you grant the electorate of Buckingham the opportunity to judge you in black and orange, the moral legitamacy of your position as an elected representative is, to my mind, in question.</p>
<p>I have absolutely no doubt that we can work together in a constructive manner, if and when you have been elected as a Liberal Democrat Councillor.</p>
<p>Angus</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement to Council by Leanne Tustin</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/12/08/statement-to-council/#comment-78452</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanne Tustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gavin :)
I am very very proud of you! 
VERY VERY!!!!! PROUD!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gavin <img src='http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I am very very proud of you!<br />
VERY VERY!!!!! PROUD!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Second Adur Councillor Joins Liberal Democrats by stodge</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/12/03/second-adur-councillor-joins-liberal-democrats/#comment-78446</link>
		<dc:creator>stodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A belated welcome from me to the party, Gav. I&#039;ve been a Party member longer than I care to remember and it&#039;s always good to welcome new members into the fold.

I imagine it&#039;s been a difficult personal journey for you and I hope you find our party and its members more in tune with your own beliefs and ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A belated welcome from me to the party, Gav. I&#8217;ve been a Party member longer than I care to remember and it&#8217;s always good to welcome new members into the fold.</p>
<p>I imagine it&#8217;s been a difficult personal journey for you and I hope you find our party and its members more in tune with your own beliefs and ideas.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Liberal Democrat Councillor by Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.gavpolitics.co.uk/blog/2009/11/22/liberal-democrat-councillor/#comment-78441</link>
		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78440&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ann Woolfe&lt;/a&gt;  Thank you Ann!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Liberal Democrat Councillor by Ann Woolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Woolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whys and wherefores are a bit beyond my limited political knowledge but I think the LibDem coat suits you as a person much more than a Tory one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whys and wherefores are a bit beyond my limited political knowledge but I think the LibDem coat suits you as a person much more than a Tory one.</p>
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